Guides

What the terms mean, what the research says and which popular tricks are myths.

Key terms

Terms you'll see on forums, TikTok and in the guides, explained in plain English.

The basics

Looksmaxxing
Working to maximize your physical attractiveness, from sleep and skin up to surgery.
-maxxing Forum slang
Suffix for going all-in on one area: gymmaxxing, skinmaxxing, sleepmaxxing, moneymaxxing and so on.
Softmaxxing
Reversible, low-risk changes: skincare, grooming, haircut, fitness, style.
Hardmaxxing
Permanent or medical changes, like surgery, orthodontics or prescription drugs.
Glow up
A visible improvement in looks over time.
Ascend / ascension Forum slang
Becoming a noticeably better-looking, higher-status version of yourself. Where this site gets its name.
PFL Forum slang
Potential for looksmaxxing: how much someone could realistically improve.
Genetic potential
The best you could look given your genes, once health and effort are maxed out.
Halo effect
One strong trait makes people rate you higher on everything else.
Facial harmony
How well your features work together, rather than how each one scores alone.
Dimorphism
How strongly a face reads as typically male or typically female.
Neoteny
Youthful features, like big eyes or a small nose, that carry into adulthood.
Lookism
Treating people better or worse based on how they look.
Mid Forum slang
Average, unremarkable.
Clavicular
A well-known looksmaxxing streamer who helped push the trend and its slang mainstream.
Looksmaxxer
Someone actively working on their looks, or who spends time in looksmaxxing spaces.
Maxxed out Forum slang
Taken as far as it can go in one area. Little left to gain without changing something bigger.
Pretty privilege
Better-looking people tend to get treated a bit better: jobs, first impressions, benefit of the doubt. Real, but the average effect is modest.
The wall Forum slang
The forum idea that looks drop off a cliff at a set age. Aging is real; a fixed cliff isn't.
DYOR Forum slang
Do your own research. Check claims, especially about supplements and procedures, before you act on them.

Ratings & tiers

PSL scale Forum slang
A loose 1–8 (sometimes 1–10) forum rating of faces. Named after three old forums. There's no fixed standard behind it.
Sub3 / Sub5 Forum slang
Rated below 3 or below 5 on the PSL scale.
Normie Forum slang
Someone in the average range. Split into low, mid and high tiers.
LTN / MTN / HTN Forum slang
Low-, mid- and high-tier normie: below average, average and above average but not quite attractive.
Chadlite Forum slang
A very attractive man who falls just short of the top tier on one or two features.
Chad Forum slang
Forum label for a man in the top tier of looks, roughly 8+ out of 10.
Gigachad Forum slang
Meme for an extreme, almost cartoonish top-tier man.
Stacy / Stacylite Forum slang
The female versions of Chad and Chadlite.
Becky Forum slang
Forum label for an average-looking woman.
HTB / MTB / LTB Forum slang
High, mid or low tier in how much someone's looks have improved or could improve.
SMV Forum slang
Sexual market value: a supposed score for how desirable someone is in dating. Opinion dressed up as a number.
Looksmatch Forum slang
Someone at roughly your level of attractiveness.
Oofy doofy Forum slang
A goofy-looking guy who still dates people rated far above him. Proof looks aren't everything.
Subhuman Derogatory
Forum label for the lowest tier. Dehumanizing; we don't use it here.
Mogger Forum slang
Someone who mogs others; a good-looking person.
Model-tier Forum slang
Looks good enough to model; above Chadlite in most forum rankings.
-cel suffix Forum slang
Forum shorthand for a flaw someone blames: heightcel, baldcel, wristcel and so on.
Hypergamy Forum slang
The idea that people date “up” in status or looks. A manosphere talking point, much debated.

Mogging & status

Mog / mogging Forum slang
Visibly outshining someone next to you. From AMOG.
AMOG Forum slang
Alpha male of the group: the most dominant or best-looking guy present.
Mogged Forum slang
Being outshone by someone who looks better.
Framemog Forum slang
Outshining someone with your build: shoulders, height, frame.
Heightmog / hairmog / agemog Forum slang
Outshining someone on height, hair or looking younger.
Halo / failo Forum slang
One standout feature that lifts a face, or one weak feature that drags it down.
Frauding Forum slang
Hiding a trait with lifts, angles, lighting or filters.
Aura farming Forum slang
Trying to boost your presence and charisma.
Rizz Forum slang
Charm, especially when flirting.
Jestermaxxing Forum slang
Leaning on humor or clowning for status instead of looks.
Statusmaxxing / moneymaxxing Forum slang
Raising your status or income to make up for or add to looks.

Forum slang

Grey / greys Forum slang
New or low-post members on looksmax.org, named after the grey usernames new accounts get. Often used dismissively.
Greycel Forum slang
1) A grey-name newbie. 2) In dating talk, a guy whose struggles are a mix of looks and non-looks reasons.
Newfag / newcel Derogatory
Another forum word for a newcomer. Crude.
Incel
Involuntary celibate: someone who wants a relationship but can't get one. The forums looksmaxxing grew out of.
Truecel / fakecel Forum slang
Someone whose dating struggles are mainly about looks, versus mainly about other things.
Blackpill Forum slang
The belief that looks are fixed and decide everything, so effort is pointless. Ascend's one rule says otherwise.
Redpill Forum slang
The manosphere idea of waking up to how dating supposedly really works.
Y-pilled Forum slang
Seeing yourself as more masculine than someone else. A spin on redpilled.
Heightpill Forum slang
The belief that height matters more for attractiveness than people admit.
Cope Forum slang
A comforting story people tell themselves, often about a product or trick that doesn't work.
It's over / we're so back Forum slang
Joking despair after bad news, and joking hope after good news.
JFL Forum slang
“Just f***ing laugh”: an ironic reaction to something absurd or grim.
KHHV Forum slang
Never kissed, hugged or held hands.
Oneitis Forum slang
An intense, one-sided fixation on one person as the only option.
Normie / normies Forum slang
Also used for people outside the forums who don't know the lingo.
Rotting / rot Forum slang
Wasting time doing nothing useful, like scrolling in bed.
The .org Forum slang
Shorthand for looksmax.org, the biggest looksmaxxing forum.
Rate me Forum slang
A post asking others to score your looks. Forum scores are harsh and inconsistent.
Rope / roping Derogatory
Dark forum slang for suicide. If you or someone you know means it, call or text 988 in the U.S., or your local crisis line.

Face & features

Canthal tilt
The angle from your inner to outer eye corner. Positive means the outer corner sits higher.
Hunter eyes Forum slang
Deep-set, upturned eyes with little visible upper lid and a low brow.
Prey eyes Forum slang
Rounder, more exposed eyes. The opposite label to hunter eyes.
UEE
Upper eyelid exposure: how much upper lid shows when your eyes are open.
Infraorbital rims (infras)
The bone under the eyes. “Recessed infras” means it sits back, giving a hollow under-eye look.
Brow ridge
The bony ridge above the eyes.
Maxilla
The upper jaw and midface bone. Forums obsess over “forward growth” of it.
Forward growth
How far forward the midface and jaw developed. Mostly set by adulthood.
Mandible
The lower jawbone.
Gonial angle
The angle at the back corner of your jaw. Smaller looks squarer.
Ramus
The vertical back part of the jawbone. A longer ramus gives a stronger jaw.
FWHR
Facial width-to-height ratio: cheekbone width compared with mid-face height.
IPD
Interpupillary distance: the space between your pupils.
Midface ratio
How long the midface is compared with its width. Compact midfaces get praised on forums.
Philtrum
The groove between your nose and upper lip.
Buccal fat
The cheek fat pad. Surgical removal is permanent.
DBDR face Forum slang
Dark, heavy brows with a recessed midface or chin.
Lean face
A face with low fat that shows bone structure. Mostly comes from low body fat.
Zygos / zygomatic arch
The cheekbone arch running back toward the ears. Wide, high zygos are prized.
Bizygomatic width
Face width measured across the cheekbones.
Bigonial width
Jaw width measured across the jaw corners.
Chin projection
How far forward your chin sits in profile.
Recessed chin (retrogenia)
A chin that sits back. Fixed with filler, an implant or a genioplasty.
Mandibular plane angle
The slope of your lower jaw line. Steep angles read as a weaker, longer lower face.
Medial / lateral canthus
The inner and outer corners of your eye.
Scleral show
White of the eye visible below the iris. Often reads as tired; can follow eyelid surgery.
Tear trough
The groove running from the inner eye corner down the cheek. Deep troughs look tired.
Nasolabial folds
The lines from the sides of your nose to the corners of your mouth.
Facial thirds
Splitting the face into upper, middle and lower thirds to judge balance.
Golden ratio (phi) No evidence
The number 1.618, often claimed to define beauty. Real faces rarely match it and research doesn't back it as a rule.
Symmetry
How closely the two sides of your face match. Small asymmetries are normal.
Hollow cheeks
A shadow under the cheekbones, mostly from low body fat.
Submental fat
Fat under the chin. Hides the jawline; drops with fat loss.
Vermilion
The red part of the lips.
Gummy smile
A lot of gum showing when you smile.
Overbite / underbite
Class II and Class III bites: upper or lower teeth too far forward. Can change face shape; orthodontists treat them.
Forward head posture
Head sitting ahead of your shoulders. Makes the neck and jaw look weaker in photos.
Mouth breathing
Breathing through the mouth. Linked to longer faces when it happens in childhood; it won't reshape an adult's bones.

Methods

Skinmaxxing
Going all-in on skincare: SPF, retinoids, acne treatment.
Gymmaxxing
Training hard for a better physique and frame.
Leanmaxxing
Getting your body fat down to show facial bone structure.
Sleepmaxxing
Prioritizing sleep for skin, eyes and recovery.
Hairmaxxing
Working on your hair: cut, styling, and treating hair loss.
Smellmaxxing
Working on how you smell: hygiene and fragrance.
Heightmaxxing
Trying to look taller with posture, lifts or styling. Adult height only changes with surgery.
Mewing No evidence
Resting your tongue on the roof of your mouth. No good evidence it reshapes bone.
Mastic gum / chewing No evidence
Chewing hard gum to build jaw muscle. Builds bite strength, not a new jaw shape.
NoFap No evidence
Avoiding masturbation for claimed looks or energy benefits. Claims aren't backed by evidence.
Caging Risky
Cutting calories very hard to drop facial fat fast. Crash diets can backfire and harm your health.
Bonesmashing Risky
Hitting your face to “remodel” bone. Dangerous, causes injury and doesn't work.
Peptides
Short amino-acid chains. Some are proven skincare or prescription drugs; injectable “research” ones are unapproved. See What works.
IQmaxxing Forum slang
Working on mental sharpness alongside looks.
Dermarolling
Rolling tiny needles over skin at home. Gentler than clinic microneedling; hygiene matters.
Skin cycling
Rotating actives on different nights, like retinoid nights and recovery nights.
Purge
A short flare of breakouts when starting a retinoid. Usually settles in 4–8 weeks.
Hard mewing Risky
Mewing with heavy force. Linked to jaw pain, headaches and TMJ trouble. No evidence it changes bone.
Bloatmaxxing / debloating
Cutting facial puffiness: less sodium and alcohol, more sleep and water. Results are real but temporary.
Tanmaxxing Risky
Getting darker skin for more contrast. Sun and tanning beds age skin and raise cancer risk; self-tanner is the safe version.
Posturemaxxing
Fixing how you stand and sit so you look taller and more confident. Quick, free and visible.
Surgerymaxxing
Making surgery the main plan. See Hardmaxxing below, and max out the free stuff first.
Chin tucks
Pulling your chin straight back to train neck muscles and fix forward head posture.
Face pulling No evidence
Pulling on the upper jaw or cheekbones to bring the face forward. No good evidence it works in adults.
Thumb pulling No evidence
Pushing on the palate with your thumbs to widen the upper jaw. Unsupported in adults and can hurt teeth.
Falim gum
A firm Turkish gum used as a softer starting point before mastic. Builds chewing muscle a little, not bone.
Jaw trainers Risky
Silicone bite devices sold to build the jaw. Can strain the joint and cause pain, for little visible gain.
Orthotropics No evidence
A school of thought that oral posture and breathing guide face growth in kids. Disputed by mainstream orthodontics.
Xenoestrogen avoidance No evidence
Avoiding plastics and chemicals said to raise estrogen. The effect on looks or hormones is overstated.
Minmaxxing Forum slang
Chasing many small gains at once. Also used as a pun for being on minoxidil.

Hair & body

Norwood scale
Stages 1–7 of male pattern hair loss.
Minoxidil (minox)
Over-the-counter treatment that slows hair loss and regrows some hair.
Finasteride (fin)
Prescription pill that blocks the hormone behind male hair loss.
Retinoid / tret
Vitamin A skin treatments like tretinoin. Big results, takes months.
Accutane (isotretinoin)
Prescription treatment for severe acne. Needs a doctor's monitoring.
V-taper
Broad shoulders and a narrow waist.
Frame
Your skeletal build: shoulder width, clavicles, height.
Clavicles
Collarbones. Wider clavicles mean a wider frame.
BMI
Weight for height. A rough check that misreads muscular people.
Dutasteride (dut)
Stronger cousin of finasteride for hair loss. Prescription; more side-effect risk.
Oral minoxidil
Low-dose pill form of minoxidil for hair loss. Prescription; can cause body-hair growth and fluid retention.
Mature hairline
A normal slight recession at the temples after the teens. Not the same as balding.
Temple recession
Hair loss at the temples; often the first sign of male pattern loss.
Shock loss
Temporary shedding after a hair transplant or starting minoxidil.
Anterior pelvic tilt
Pelvis tipped forward, pushing the belly out. Training and stretching help.

Gym & PEDs

Cutting
Eating in a calorie deficit to lose fat.
Bulking / lean bulk
Eating in a surplus to build muscle. A lean bulk keeps the surplus small.
Recomp
Losing fat and building muscle at the same time. Easiest for beginners.
Natty / fake natty Forum slang
Natural (no steroids) vs. secretly using them while claiming to be natural.
PEDs Risky
Performance-enhancing drugs: steroids, SARMs, growth hormone and similar.
TRT
Testosterone replacement therapy, prescribed for medically low testosterone. Shuts down your own production and fertility.
Cycle / blast / cruise Risky
Steroid-user slang for a course of drugs, a high-dose phase and a lower maintenance phase.
SARMs Risky
Unapproved pills sold as “safer steroids”. Linked to liver injury and hormone shutdown.
Gyno
Breast tissue growth in men, a common steroid side effect.

Ratings & tiers

Tier Forum slang
A rank band on the forum ladder, like LTN or Chadlite. Our face scan gives you one.
Sub-LTN / Sub-LTB Forum slang
Ascend's name for scores below 3.0, under LTN or LTB. Used in place of harsher forum words.
Decile Forum slang
Borrowed from statistics: which tenth of a group someone falls in. "Top decile" means top 10%.
PSL god Forum slang
Forum praise for someone seen as near the top of the scale. A status label, not a measurement.

Mogging & status

Facemog / stylemog Forum slang
Winning the comparison on face alone, or on clothes and grooming alone.
Chadfishing Forum slang
Using heavily flattering, edited or borrowed photos online, then looking different in person.
Aura Forum slang
The overall impression you give before you speak: posture, confidence, body language, style.

Face & features

PCT / NCT
Positive or negative canthal tilt: the outer eye corner sits higher (positive) or lower (negative) than the inner one. Neutral means level.
Orbital rim
The bony ring around the eye socket. Prominent rims make eyes look deeper set.
Gonion
The point at the back corner of the jaw where the vertical and horizontal parts meet. Visible gonions read as a square jaw.
Lower third
Bottom third of the face, from the base of the nose to the chin. Jaw and chin shape live here.
Top third
Upper third of the face, from hairline to brows. Hairline and brow ridge shape it.
Under-eye area
Everything below the lower lid: tear troughs, dark circles and bags. Sleep, allergies and genetics drive most of it.
Alar base
How wide the nostrils are at the bottom of the nose. Judged in proportion to the eyes and mouth.
Ogee curve
The smooth S-shaped line from cheekbone down to the cheek, seen from an angle. Associated with a youthful midface.
Bideltoid width
Shoulder width measured across the deltoid muscles. Unlike clavicle length, you can train it.

Hair & body

NW (Norwood stage)
Shorthand for where your hairline sits on the Norwood scale. NW2 is a mature hairline; NW3 is clear temple recession.
Crown
Top and back of the head. A common place for early thinning that's hard to see yourself.
Hair transplant (FUE / FUT)
Moving follicles from the back of the head to thin areas. Permanent, costly, and works best alongside meds that keep the rest.
Body fat percentage
How much of your weight is fat. Around 10 to 15% for men and 18 to 24% for women shows definition.
Face fat
Fat hiding your bone structure. Only overall fat loss shrinks it; face exercises don't.
Water retention
Puffiness from salt, alcohol, stress or poor sleep. Often mistaken for fat and gone in days.
Wrist size
A rough sign of overall bone size. Mostly genetic.
Hyperpigmentation
Dark spots or patches from sun, acne or irritation. Sunscreen plus actives like azelaic acid or vitamin C fade it.
Skin texture
How smooth the skin surface looks. Retinoids, exfoliation and moisturizer improve it.
Collagen
The protein that keeps skin firm. It declines with age and sun; retinoids and sunscreen protect it.

Supplements

Creatine
One of the best-studied supplements. Helps strength and muscle gain. The "face bloat" fear is mostly a myth.
Vitamin D3
Worth taking if you're low, which many people are. Supports bones, immunity and normal testosterone.
Zinc
Matters for skin and hormones if you're deficient. Long-term high doses can deplete copper.
Magnesium
Helps sleep and recovery for some people. The glycinate form is gentle on the stomach.
Ashwagandha
An herb with modest evidence for stress and sleep. Can affect the thyroid; check with a doctor.
Collagen peptides
Oral collagen protein. Some small studies show better skin elasticity; evidence is still mixed.
Beta carotene
A plant pigment that can give skin a warmer, golden tone at high intake. Smokers should avoid supplements.
Pre-workout
A caffeine-based drink for energy before training. Watch the caffeine dose and don't take it late.

Hardmaxxing terms

Bimax
Double-jaw surgery: moving the upper and lower jaw. The biggest facial hardmaxx.
BSSO
Surgery that moves the lower jaw forward or back.
Le Fort I
Surgery that moves the upper jaw.
Genio
Genioplasty: cutting and moving the chin bone.
Rhino
Rhinoplasty: nose surgery.
Bleph
Blepharoplasty: eyelid surgery.
Canthoplasty / canthopexy
Surgery to reshape or tighten the outer eye corner, often to change tilt.
LL Risky
Limb lengthening: breaking and slowly stretching leg bones to add height.
MSE / MARPE
Bone-anchored expanders that widen the upper jaw in adults.
PEEK implants
Custom-made plastic implants for jaw, chin or cheek, designed from a CT scan.
HA filler
Hyaluronic-acid filler: injectable gel that adds volume and can be dissolved.
Hyaluronidase
Enzyme that dissolves HA filler. Also the emergency treatment for filler blocking a blood vessel.
Medical tourism
Travelling abroad for cheaper surgery. Lower prices, but harder follow-up if things go wrong.
Orthognathic surgery
The medical name for jaw surgery, which includes bimax and BSSO. Done by oral and maxillofacial surgeons.
Facial implants
Solid implants placed on the chin, jaw angles or cheekbones for permanent projection.
Masseter Botox
Botox in the chewing muscles to slim a wide lower face. Lasts a few months. The opposite of what most jaw-focused guys want.

Some forum words are slurs aimed at women or racist terms. We know them, but we don't define or use them here. Ratings like PSL are community inventions, not science. Compiled from community glossaries, news coverage and dictionaries.

What works

Ways to improve and what each one does. Evidence: Strong means large trials or medical consensus, Moderate means smaller studies, Weak means early or mixed results. Rx means you need a prescription.

Skin

MethodEvidenceTime to seeAccess
Sunscreen, SPF 30+

Prevents the sun damage behind most wrinkles, spots and uneven tone.

StrongOngoingOTC
Tretinoin

Speeds skin turnover: clears acne, smooths texture, softens fine lines.

Strong3–6 monthsRx
Adapalene

A gentler retinoid for acne and clogged pores.

Strong8–12 weeksOTC
Azelaic acid

Calms redness, treats acne and fades dark marks.

Moderate8–12 weeksOTC / Rx
Salicylic acid (BHA)

Gets inside pores to clear blackheads and oil.

Moderate4–6 weeksOTC
Niacinamide

Evens tone, reduces oiliness and supports the skin barrier.

Moderate4–8 weeksOTC
Isotretinoin

Treats severe acne, often for good, after one course.

Strong4–6 monthsRx + monitoring
Microneedling (clinic)

Tiny punctures trigger repair, which improves acne scars and texture.

Moderate3+ sessionsClinic

Hair

MethodEvidenceTime to seeAccess
Minoxidil

Slows hair loss and regrows some hair. Expect a shed at first.

Strong3–6 monthsOTC
Finasteride

Blocks the hormone (DHT) behind male hair loss and stops it in most men.

Strong6–12 monthsRx
Ketoconazole shampoo

Clears dandruff and may slightly help thinning hair.

Weak–moderate4–8 weeksOTC
A cut for your face shape

The fastest visible change you can make.

StrongSame dayBarber

Body

MethodEvidenceTime to seeAccess
Fat loss (calorie deficit)

Shows your jawline and cheekbones and tightens your whole look.

Strong8–16 weeksFree
Resistance training

Builds shoulders and back for a V-taper and better posture.

Strong8–12 weeksGym
Protein 1.6–2.2 g/kg

Keeps and builds muscle while you lean out.

StrongOngoingFood
Creatine monohydrate

More strength and muscle when paired with training.

Strong3–4 weeksOTC
7–9 hours of sleep

Less puffiness and fewer dark circles, plus better recovery.

StrongDaysFree
8–10k steps a day

Easy fat loss, and it doesn't eat into your recovery.

ModerateWeeksFree

Face & smile

MethodEvidenceTime to seeAccess
Brow and beard shaping

Frames the face and makes it look more defined.

StrongSame dayBarber
Teeth whitening

Brightens your smile with dentist or approved peroxide strips.

Strong1–2 weeksOTC / dentist
Clear aligners or braces

Straightens teeth and can improve how your lips and profile sit.

Strong6–24 monthsOrthodontist
Glasses that fit your face

The right frame balances your face shape.

ModerateSame dayOptician

Peptides

Peptides are short chains of amino acids. Some are well-studied skincare ingredients or prescription drugs. Others are injectable “research chemicals” that aren't approved for people, often with unknown purity. Ascend doesn't share doses or sources for unapproved peptides. Talk to a doctor before taking anything, and if you're under 18, skip anything prescribed or injected.

MethodEvidenceTime to seeAccess
Copper peptide (GHK-Cu), topical

Claimed to firm skin and help repair. Evidence is mostly lab work and small studies.

Weak–moderate8–12 weeksOTC
Signal peptides (e.g. Matrixyl), topical

May soften fine lines. The trials are small and often industry-funded.

Weak–moderate8–12 weeksOTC
Collagen peptides, oral

Modest gains in skin hydration and elasticity in reviews. Quality varies by brand.

Moderate8–12 weeksSupplement
GLP-1 drugs (semaglutide, tirzepatide)

Strong weight loss. Side effects include nausea and muscle loss without enough protein and training.

StrongMonthsRx only
BPC-157 / TB-500

Claimed to speed healing and recovery. Evidence comes from animal studies only, and the FDA has flagged BPC-157 as a safety concern.

Animal onlyn/aUnapproved
GH boosters (CJC-1295, ipamorelin)

Claimed to increase growth hormone for fat loss and skin. There's little human evidence, and risks include water retention and higher blood sugar.

Weakn/aUnapproved
Melanotan II

An injectable tanning drug. It's linked to new or changing moles and nausea, and health agencies warn against it.

Riskyn/aUnapproved

Peptides

Peptides are short chains of amino acids. Some are proven skincare ingredients or real prescription drugs. Many sold online are unapproved “research chemicals” with unknown purity. Ascend explains what each one is and what the evidence says, but we never give doses or sources for unapproved peptides. Talk to a doctor before taking anything. Under 18: skip anything prescribed or injected.

Skincare peptides (on the skin)

Applied in serums and creams. The lowest-risk way people use peptides.

GHK-Cu (topical)
Over the counter

Copper tripeptide-1, copper peptides

Used for
Firmness, smoother texture, wound healing; also marketed for hair.
Evidence
Moderate Lab and small human studies show collagen and healing effects; big trials are lacking.
Risks
Mild irritation. Don't layer with strong acids or vitamin C in the same routine.
Matrixyl
Over the counter

Palmitoyl pentapeptide-4

Used for
Softening fine lines.
Evidence
Weak–moderate Small, often company-funded trials show modest wrinkle improvement over 8–12 weeks.
Risks
Very low.
Matrixyl 3000
Over the counter

Palmitoyl tripeptide-1 + tetrapeptide-7

Used for
Fine lines and firmness.
Evidence
Weak–moderate Similar small trials to Matrixyl.
Risks
Very low.
Argireline
Over the counter

Acetyl hexapeptide-8 (or -3)

Used for
Expression lines; sold as “Botox in a bottle”.
Evidence
Weak Slight smoothing in small studies. Nowhere near real Botox.
Risks
Very low.
SNAP-8
Over the counter

Acetyl octapeptide-3

Used for
Expression lines, like Argireline.
Evidence
Weak Mostly manufacturer data.
Risks
Very low.
Copper peptides for hair
Over the counter

AHK-Cu, GHK-Cu scalp serums

Used for
Thicker hair.
Evidence
Weak Mostly lab work. Use minoxidil or finasteride for proven results.
Risks
Scalp irritation.

Oral peptides

Taken by mouth.

Collagen peptides
Supplement

Hydrolyzed collagen

Used for
Skin hydration and elasticity; joints.
Evidence
Moderate Reviews of trials show modest skin improvements over 8–12 weeks. Many trials are industry-funded.
Risks
Low. Quality varies by brand; choose third-party-tested products.
Glutathione (oral)
Supplement

A tripeptide antioxidant

Used for
Sold for skin brightening.
Evidence
Weak Small, mixed studies. Injectable “skin-whitening” glutathione has drawn FDA warnings.
Risks
Oral is low risk. Injections carry real risks; skip them.

Prescription peptides (approved)

Real medicines. Only use them through a doctor, from a licensed pharmacy.

Semaglutide
FDA-approved (prescription)

Ozempic, Wegovy (GLP-1)

Used for
Weight loss and type 2 diabetes. Average loss around 15% in trials.
Evidence
Strong Large trials and years of real-world use.
Risks
Nausea, constipation, muscle loss without protein and lifting, rare pancreatitis and gallbladder issues. Fast facial fat loss can look gaunt (“Ozempic face”).
Tirzepatide
FDA-approved (prescription)

Mounjaro, Zepbound (GIP/GLP-1)

Used for
Weight loss and diabetes. Average loss around 20% in trials.
Evidence
Strong Large trials.
Risks
Similar to semaglutide.
Liraglutide
FDA-approved (prescription)

Saxenda, Victoza

Used for
Weight loss (older, daily injection).
Evidence
Strong Large trials; less weight loss than newer options.
Risks
Nausea; similar class risks.
Tesamorelin
FDA-approved (prescription)

Egrifta

Used for
Approved only to reduce belly fat in people with HIV-related lipodystrophy. Used off-label for fat loss.
Evidence
Moderate Proven for its approved use; not a weight-loss drug.
Risks
Joint pain, swelling, higher blood sugar; long-term heart safety not established.
Bremelanotide
FDA-approved (prescription)

PT-141, Vyleesi

Used for
Approved for low sexual desire in premenopausal women. Used off-label for libido.
Evidence
Moderate Proven for its approved use.
Risks
Nausea, flushing, raised blood pressure, and dark skin patches on the face and gums that may be permanent.
Afamelanotide
FDA-approved (prescription)

Scenesse (relative of Melanotan I)

Used for
Approved implant for a rare light-sensitivity disease (EPP). Not approved for tanning.
Evidence
Strong Proven for its approved use only.
Risks
Nausea, darkened moles and freckles.
Elamipretide
Approved for one rare use

SS-31, Forzinity

Used for
Approved in 2025 only for Barth syndrome, a rare genetic disease. Sold online as a “mitochondria” anti-aging peptide.
Evidence
Weak No evidence for looks or anti-aging in healthy people.
Risks
Injection-site reactions; grey-market versions have unknown purity.
Sermorelin
Not approved for people

GHRH analog

Used for
Raising growth hormone. Was once approved for children's GH deficiency, then discontinued in the US; now compounded.
Evidence
Weak Old pediatric data; little evidence for adults chasing looks.
Risks
Injection reactions, headaches; unclear long-term effects.

Investigational

In clinical trials, not approved yet.

Retatrutide
Investigational

Triple agonist (GLP-1/GIP/glucagon)

Used for
Weight loss. Trials show around 28% average loss.
Evidence
Strong (trials) Phase 3 results are strong, but it isn't approved; filing is expected around 2027.
Risks
Anything sold now is unregulated “research” product with unknown contents. Wait for the real thing.

Unapproved “research” peptides

Sold online “for research only”. None are approved for human use, their FDA compounding status has shifted repeatedly since 2023, and vials often contain the wrong dose, impurities or bacteria. Many are banned in tested sports.

BPC-157
Not approved for people

Body Protection Compound

Used for
Healing tendons, gut and injuries.
Evidence
Animal only Strong animal results; only a few tiny human studies.
Risks
Unknown long-term effects, possible effects on blood-vessel growth, contamination.
TB-500
Not approved for people

Thymosin beta-4 fragment

Used for
Injury recovery and flexibility.
Evidence
Animal only Animal and lab data only.
Risks
Unknown in humans; banned in sport.
CJC-1295
Not approved for people

With or without DAC

Used for
Raising growth hormone for fat loss, skin and recovery.
Evidence
Weak Small studies show it raises GH and IGF-1; no proof of looks benefits.
Risks
Water retention, numbness, higher blood sugar, unknown long-term risks.
Ipamorelin
Not approved for people

GH secretagogue

Used for
Raising growth hormone, often stacked with CJC-1295.
Evidence
Weak Very little human data.
Risks
Similar to CJC-1295.
GHRP-2 / GHRP-6
Not approved for people

GH-releasing peptides

Used for
Growth hormone release.
Evidence
Weak Older small studies.
Risks
Big appetite increase (GHRP-6), raised cortisol and prolactin.
Hexarelin
Not approved for people

GH-releasing peptide

Used for
Growth hormone release.
Evidence
Weak Small studies; effect fades with use.
Risks
Raised cortisol and prolactin.
MK-677
Not approved for people

Ibutamoren (a pill, not a peptide, but sold alongside them)

Used for
Raising growth hormone, sleep, muscle.
Evidence
Weak Raises GH and IGF-1 in studies; no proof of better looks.
Risks
Hunger, water retention, higher blood sugar and insulin resistance; heart-failure concerns in a trial of older adults.
AOD-9604
Not approved for people

Growth hormone fragment 177–191

Used for
Fat loss.
Evidence
None Failed to beat placebo for weight loss in human trials.
Risks
Unknown; you're paying for something that didn't work.
Melanotan II
Not approved for people

MT2, “Barbie drug”

Used for
Tanning, appetite and libido.
Evidence
Weak It darkens skin, but it's never been approved for that.
Risks
Nausea, new or changing moles, and health agencies warn of a possible melanoma link. Avoid.
Melanotan I
Not approved for people

MT1

Used for
Tanning.
Evidence
Weak Only approved as afamelanotide for a rare disease.
Risks
Nausea, darker moles.
IGF-1 LR3
Not approved for people

Long-acting IGF-1

Used for
Muscle growth.
Evidence
None No human evidence for this use.
Risks
Low blood sugar, organ growth concerns; banned in sport.
Epitalon
Not approved for people

Epithalon

Used for
Anti-aging, “telomeres”, sleep.
Evidence
None Claims come mostly from one lab group; no solid human trials.
Risks
Unknown.
MOTS-c
Not approved for people

Mitochondrial peptide

Used for
Metabolism and fat loss.
Evidence
Animal only Animal studies only.
Risks
Unknown in humans.
KPV
Not approved for people

Alpha-MSH fragment

Used for
Inflammation, skin and gut.
Evidence
Animal only Lab and animal data.
Risks
Unknown.
LL-37
Not approved for people

Cathelicidin

Used for
Infections and wound healing.
Evidence
Lab only Lab data only.
Risks
Unknown; can promote inflammation.
DSIP
Not approved for people

Delta sleep-inducing peptide

Used for
Sleep.
Evidence
Weak Old, inconsistent studies.
Risks
Unknown.
Selank / Semax
Approved abroad only

Nasal nootropic peptides

Used for
Anxiety and focus.
Evidence
Weak Approved in Russia; little research elsewhere.
Risks
Unknown long-term effects.
Thymosin alpha-1
Approved abroad only

Zadaxin

Used for
Immune support.
Evidence
Moderate Approved for some infections in other countries; not for looks.
Risks
Injection reactions.
Follistatin
Not approved for people

Myostatin blocker

Used for
Muscle growth.
Evidence
Lab only No human evidence for this use.
Risks
Unknown.
Kisspeptin
Not approved for people

Reproductive hormone peptide

Used for
Testosterone and libido.
Evidence
Weak Research use in fertility studies.
Risks
Hormone disruption.
Dihexa
Not approved for people

Nootropic peptide

Used for
Memory and focus.
Evidence
Lab only Animal data only.
Risks
Possible cancer-growth concerns from how it works; unknown.
GHK-Cu (injected)
Not approved for people

Copper peptide injections

Used for
Skin and hair from the inside.
Evidence
None No good human data for injecting it.
Risks
Injection risks; the topical form is the safer option.

39 peptides. Status is for the U.S. as of 2026 and can change. Evidence ratings summarize published research, not forum anecdotes.

Hardmaxxing

Hardmaxxing means permanent or medical changes. Most of it is real medicine with real results, and real risks. Here's what each option does, what recovery looks like and what it costs.

Before you book anything
  1. Max out softmaxxing first: get lean, fix skin and hair. It changes what you actually need.
  2. Use a board-certified surgeon in the right specialty (facial plastic, plastic, or oral and maxillofacial for jaws).
  3. See their before-and-afters of real patients with faces like yours.
  4. Ask about their complication and revision rates, and what revisions cost.
  5. Get two or three consultations. Walk away from anyone who pressures you.
  6. If you can't stop thinking about a flaw others don't notice, talk to a professional first. That can be body dysmorphia, and surgery rarely fixes it.

Injectables

Non-surgical, mostly temporary. The usual first step into hardmaxxing.

HA fillers: chin, jaw, cheeks

Adds projection and definition. Can fake a stronger chin or jawline.

Recovery
A few days of swelling
Rough cost
$600–1,000 per syringe; jaws often need 4–10
Risks
Bruising, lumps, migration. Rarely, filler blocks a blood vessel, which can cause skin death or blindness; choose an experienced injector. Dissolvable with hyaluronidase.
HA fillers: lips and tear troughs

Fuller lips; fills hollow under-eyes.

Recovery
A few days
Rough cost
$600–1,200 per syringe
Risks
Swelling, lumps; tear troughs are a high-skill area with vascular risks.
Botox: masseters

Slims a wide, muscular jaw from the front.

Recovery
None; results in 2–6 weeks, last 3–6 months
Rough cost
$400–1,000
Risks
Weaker chewing, uneven smile. Can make a jaw look weaker if you wanted width.
Botox: forehead and brows

Smooths lines; a small brow lift.

Recovery
None
Rough cost
$200–600
Risks
Droopy brow or lid if placed badly.
Kybella

Dissolves fat under the chin with injections.

Recovery
1–2 weeks of swelling per session; usually 2–4 sessions
Rough cost
$1,200–1,800 per session
Risks
Swelling, numbness, rare nerve injury affecting your smile.
Skin boosters / biostimulators

Polynucleotides, Sculptra, Radiesse: improve skin quality or stimulate collagen.

Recovery
Days
Rough cost
$500–1,500 per session
Risks
Lumps; Sculptra and Radiesse can't be dissolved.

Skin and hair procedures

Laser resurfacing

CO2 or fractional lasers for acne scars, texture and sun damage.

Recovery
1–2 weeks of redness (CO2 longer)
Rough cost
$1,000–5,000
Risks
Pigment changes, especially on darker skin; choose the right laser for your skin tone.
RF microneedling

Needles plus heat for scars and tightening.

Recovery
2–5 days
Rough cost
$600–1,500 per session
Risks
Redness; burns if done badly.
Chemical peels

Exfoliate for texture, spots and acne marks.

Recovery
Days to 2 weeks depending on depth
Rough cost
$150–3,000
Risks
Pigment changes, scarring with deep peels.
Hair transplant (FUE / FUT)

Moves hair from the back of your head to thinning areas.

Recovery
1–2 weeks to look normal; full result in about 12 months
Rough cost
$5,000–15,000+
Risks
Shock loss, scarring, bad design. You still need finasteride or similar to keep your native hair.
PRP for hair

Injects your own platelet-rich plasma into the scalp.

Recovery
None
Rough cost
$500–1,500 per session
Risks
Mixed evidence; works best alongside proven treatments.
Scalp micropigmentation

Tattooed dots that mimic a buzz cut or add density.

Recovery
Days
Rough cost
$1,500–4,000
Risks
Fading or color shift over the years.

Facial surgery

Permanent. Get lean first: fat loss changes what you actually need.

Rhinoplasty

Reshapes the nose: hump, tip, width, breathing.

Recovery
1–2 weeks visible; swelling settles over 12 months
Rough cost
$7,000–15,000
Risks
Breathing problems, unhappy result, revision surgery.
Genioplasty

Cuts and moves the chin bone forward, down or sideways.

Recovery
2–4 weeks
Rough cost
$6,000–12,000
Risks
Numb lip or chin, asymmetry.
Chin implant

Adds chin projection with a silicone or PEEK implant.

Recovery
1–2 weeks
Rough cost
$4,000–8,000
Risks
Infection, shifting, bone erosion under the implant.
Jaw implants (custom)

Wider, sharper jaw corners, made from a CT scan.

Recovery
2–6 weeks
Rough cost
$10,000–30,000+
Risks
Infection, shifting, numbness, unnatural look if oversized.
Cheek / zygomatic implants

Adds cheekbone width and projection.

Recovery
2–3 weeks
Rough cost
$5,000–15,000
Risks
Infection, asymmetry, nerve injury.
Infraorbital rim implants

Fills recessed under-eye bone to fix a hollow look.

Recovery
2–4 weeks
Rough cost
$8,000–20,000
Risks
Complex area: eyelid changes, infection, visible edges.
Canthoplasty / canthopexy
High regret / high risk

Changes the outer eye corner, often to raise tilt.

Recovery
2–4 weeks
Rough cost
$3,000–8,000
Risks
Unnatural look, dry eyes, scleral show, revisions. One of the most regretted forum surgeries.
Blepharoplasty

Removes extra eyelid skin or under-eye bags.

Recovery
1–2 weeks
Rough cost
$4,000–8,000
Risks
Dry eyes, scleral show, hollowing if too much fat is removed.
Brow lift

Raises or reshapes the brows.

Recovery
1–2 weeks
Rough cost
$5,000–10,000
Risks
Surprised look, numbness, hairline changes.
Buccal fat removal
High regret / high risk

Removes cheek fat pads for a hollower lower face.

Recovery
1–2 weeks
Rough cost
$3,000–6,000
Risks
Irreversible, and can look gaunt as you age and lose fat naturally.
Chin / neck liposuction

Removes fat under the chin to sharpen the jawline.

Recovery
1–2 weeks
Rough cost
$3,000–6,000
Risks
Irregular contour, loose skin.
Lip lift

Shortens the space between nose and lip.

Recovery
1–2 weeks; scar fades over months
Rough cost
$2,000–5,000
Risks
Visible scar, asymmetry.
Otoplasty

Pins back ears that stick out.

Recovery
1–2 weeks
Rough cost
$3,000–6,000
Risks
Asymmetry, overcorrection.
Fat grafting

Moves your own fat to cheeks, temples or under-eyes.

Recovery
1–2 weeks
Rough cost
$3,000–8,000
Risks
Unpredictable survival of the fat, lumps.

Jaw surgery (orthognathic)

Done by oral and maxillofacial surgeons, usually with 12–24 months of braces. Often covered by insurance when there's a real bite problem.

BSSO

Moves the lower jaw forward or back.

Recovery
6–12 weeks; numbness can last months
Rough cost
$15,000–40,000 without insurance
Risks
Lip and chin numbness (sometimes permanent), relapse, bite problems.
Le Fort I

Moves the upper jaw: forward, up, down or tilted.

Recovery
6–12 weeks
Rough cost
$15,000–40,000
Risks
Numbness, nasal changes, relapse.
Bimax (double jaw)

Moves both jaws together. Can transform a recessed or long face and improve breathing.

Recovery
6–12 weeks off work; final result about 12 months
Rough cost
$30,000–60,000+ without insurance
Risks
Major surgery: numbness, relapse, long recovery, risks of general anesthesia.
MSE / MARPE

Bone-anchored expander widens a narrow upper jaw in adults, without major surgery.

Recovery
Weeks of adjustment, then braces
Rough cost
$3,000–8,000 plus orthodontics
Risks
Asymmetric split, gum recession, it may not work in older adults.

Teeth

Veneers

Porcelain shells for shape and color.

Recovery
2–3 visits
Rough cost
$1,000–2,500 per tooth
Risks
Enamel is ground away permanently; veneers need replacing every 10–20 years.
Clear aligners / braces

Straightens teeth and fixes bite; can improve lip and profile.

Recovery
6–24 months
Rough cost
$3,000–8,000
Risks
Relapse without retainers.
Gum contouring

Trims gums for a gummy smile.

Recovery
Days
Rough cost
$500–3,000
Risks
Sensitivity; can't be undone.

Body

Limb lengthening
High regret / high risk

Breaks the leg bones and stretches them over months to add roughly 5–8 cm.

Recovery
Months of daily stretching and physical therapy; a year or more to fully recover
Rough cost
$75,000–150,000+ in the US
Risks
Nerve damage, joint stiffness, bones that heal badly, chronic pain. The most extreme hardmaxx.
Liposuction / high-def lipo

Removes stubborn fat; high-def etches muscle lines.

Recovery
2–6 weeks
Rough cost
$4,000–15,000
Risks
Irregular contours, fluid buildup; not a weight-loss tool.
Hairline lowering

Moves the hairline down by removing forehead skin.

Recovery
1–2 weeks
Rough cost
$6,000–12,000
Risks
Visible scar, numbness; not for progressing hair loss.

Hormones and drugs

Hardmaxxing through chemistry. The riskiest category for young people.

TRT

Testosterone for men with medically low levels, prescribed and monitored by a doctor.

Recovery
Ongoing, usually for life
Rough cost
$30–200 a month
Risks
Shuts down your own testosterone and fertility, acne, thicker blood. Not for teens or men with normal levels.
Anabolic steroids
Don’t

Extra testosterone and related drugs for faster muscle.

Recovery
Ongoing
Rough cost
Black market
Risks
Illegal without a prescription. Heart disease, hair loss, acne, gyno, infertility, mood problems, dependence.
SARMs
Don’t

Pills sold as “safer steroids”.

Recovery
Ongoing
Rough cost
Black market
Risks
Not approved. Liver injury, hormone shutdown, often mislabeled.
Accutane (isotretinoin)

Clears severe acne, often for good.

Recovery
4–6 month course
Rough cost
$100–1,000 with insurance varying
Risks
Dry skin and lips, mood changes, birth defects. Needs a dermatologist and blood tests.
Finasteride / dutasteride

Stops male pattern hair loss.

Recovery
Ongoing
Rough cost
$10–50 a month
Risks
Sexual side effects in a minority of men; talk to a doctor.
GLP-1 drugs

Semaglutide or tirzepatide for fat loss. See Peptides.

Recovery
Ongoing
Rough cost
$300–1,300 a month without insurance
Risks
Nausea, muscle loss, gaunt face if weight drops fast.

Never do these

Forum “hacks” that cause real injuries.

DIY filler or injections
Don’t

Injecting yourself with filler, peptides or anything bought online.

Recovery
n/a
Rough cost
n/a
Risks
Infection, blocked blood vessels, blindness, permanent lumps. People on forums have documented their own disasters.
Bonesmashing
Don’t

Hitting your face to “remodel” bone.

Recovery
n/a
Rough cost
n/a
Risks
Fractures, nerve damage, no benefit.
Skin-lightening injections
Don’t

Injected glutathione or bleaching products.

Recovery
n/a
Rough cost
n/a
Risks
FDA warnings; unknown ingredients, infections.
Crash diets / caging
Don’t

Starving to drop face fat fast.

Recovery
n/a
Rough cost
n/a
Risks
Muscle loss, hair shedding, gaunt look, eating disorders.

46 options. Costs are rough U.S. ranges and vary a lot by city and surgeon. This is general information, not medical advice.

What the research says

Jawline & gonial angle

  • The gonial angle is the corner where the back of your jaw turns forward. Smaller angle, squarer corner.
  • Adults average roughly 117°–128° on X-rays, and men and women differ by only a few degrees.
  • Side-profile photos are rough at best for one person. Front-facing photos and apps haven't been validated.
  • The bone is set in adulthood. What changes how your jaw looks is mostly the fat over it.
  • Only surgery moves the bone. Fat loss, fillers or Botox in the chewing muscle change the look. Gum chewing and mewing have no trial evidence.

Canthal tilt

  • Tilt is the angle from the inner to the outer eye corner. Positive means the outer corner sits higher.
  • A positive tilt is normal: study averages run from about +1° to +9.5° depending on sex and ancestry.
  • In one rated-photo study, the top group averaged about 9°, versus about 6.5° for the bottom group.
  • More isn't always better. Lifting corners past their natural position made faces rate worse.
  • Chin angle and head tilt skew the reading a lot, so measure straight on and average both eyes.
  • Only surgery moves the corner. Brows, lid tension, sleep and photo angle change how it reads.

Hunter eyes

  • It's a community label for four traits together: upward tilt, deep-set eyes, little visible upper lid and a low brow.
  • Eye depth and tilt come from bone and how the lids are anchored, so they're fixed in adults without surgery.
  • Sleep is the lever with the best evidence. Short sleep makes eyes look puffier, redder, darker and more tired.
  • Forcing a lower brow or a higher outer corner lowered attractiveness and trust ratings in studies.
  • Mewing has never been trial-tested for eyes, and a negative tilt isn't proven to be unattractive.

Myths vs. evidence

Mewing reshapes your jaw or eyes

No evidence

No trial shows bone change. It's fine as a posture habit.

Mastic gum builds a sharper jaw

Mostly no

A trial found a stronger bite, not a different jaw shape.

Bonesmashing remodels your face

Dangerous

It causes injury and has no evidence behind it. Don't.

Eye exercises or taping raise canthal tilt

No evidence

Tilt is anchored to bone. Nothing tested changes it.

Losing fat sharpens your jawline

True

Fat over the jaw is the biggest factor in how defined it looks.

Sleep changes how your eyes look

True

Sleep loss reliably makes eyes look puffier, darker and more tired.

Sunscreen keeps skin looking younger

True

Sun exposure drives much of visible skin aging.

Hair loss treatment works best early

True

Minoxidil (over the counter) and finasteride (prescription) slow loss. See a dermatologist.

Transformation stories

3 of 5called body fat or physique their biggest change.
4 of 5used prescription acne treatment like tretinoin or isotretinoin.
4–6 yrsis how long these arcs took. None were quick.

Sal P

Started at 28 · about 4 years

Start: Obese, burnt out and powerlifting on mostly fast food.

Calorie countingWeight trainingIsotretinoin, then retinoidsAzelaic acidMicroneedlingDaily SPFMinoxidilKetoconazole shampoo

Biggest difference: Losing body fat, with skincare a close second. Most facial changes showed up once he got under about 15% body fat.

Advice: It's never too late. Fix weight, physique, hair and skin before chasing small details.

Several of these are prescription drugs. Decide them with a doctor.

Larsanova

23 at interview · 2019–2025

Start: Acne and extra weight when he found the forums.

Retin-AWeight lossGrew out curly hair15k steps a dayTime outdoorsThyroid managed with a doctor

Biggest difference: Weight loss, then better skin color and figuring out what suited him.

Advice: Enjoy the process, take progress photos and trust that small steps add up.

His weight swung widely over the years and he took breaks for his mental health.

ZyzzReincarnate

Started at 16 · 2018 to now

Start: Tall, very thin, teased at school and mostly gaming.

Gym and bulkingGrew out hairContacts over glassesSkin and hair productsCompeted in men's physique

Biggest difference: His physique. It changed how people treated him more than anything else.

Advice: Treat it as a long-term project. Start with the gym, do the basics before surgery and test your look in real life, not on forums.

He used SARMs as a teen, then steroids, plus an unregulated tanning drug, and now calls the steroids and the constant focus on looks mistakes.

AstroSky

Age not stated · long-term

Start: Severe cystic acne as a teen, and a face he felt looked soft and bloated.

Diet changesTretinoinDaily SPFWorking outGetting leanRed light therapyTinted brows

Biggest difference: He credits mewing and chewing for his jaw, plus skincare, training and getting his hormones checked.

Advice: Stay consistent and patient, and compare yourself only to your past self.

There's no trial evidence that mewing or chewing changes jaw shape (see Myths). Several clinic treatments he tried had little or only temporary effect.

Orka

Started around 16–17 · 2023 to 2026

Start: Had just moved countries, lost his social life and leaned on Discord ratings for his self-image.

AccutaneTretinoinRetinolIrregular gym

Biggest difference: Accutane cleared his skin. He also credits teaching what he learned to a friend.

Advice: Build discipline first, do your research and pay for professionals rather than doing things yourself.

He injected his own chin and jaw filler starting at 17, and one filler migrated. He also uses hormones without a prescription. Both are high-risk, and he advises professional care.

Summarized from published interviews. Risky choices are flagged, not recommended.

What the community actually does

From a March 2025 survey of 175 forum members: what they've tried.

Grooming78.7%
Fitness75.9%
Diet75.3%
Mewing65.5%
Non-surgical procedures9.2%
Surgery3.4%
28%happy with their results. 40% neutral, 32% unhappy.
87%of those who saw life changes called them positive.
56%reported stress or anxiety tied to looksmaxxing.

Small, self-selected sample that skews young and male.

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